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[SimulatedAcres]

Hei
the ADS system is awesome , but I've noticed that truck battery capacity is 14Volts but real live its 24 , Is the Stress level is on purpose so sensitive? I've notice that if i do some lifting work with wheel loader i get very often warning light that i over load the machine, but it's normal lifting and loading. Also filling the truck all the way, I get notice that it's to heavy. But the truck and material total weight is around 30tonns, and that's normal in real life. 3 axle truck can weigh from 24-32 tons it depends totally what country you drive. Normally the truck can handle weights up to 35 tons, the countries make limitations because of the road conditions in different countries. I own truck and in my country the max gross weight is 26 tons but the country where i brought it had max gross weight 30tons.
Is it possible to add oil barrels that you can buy engine oil and transmission,hydraulic oil and you can see how much oil certain machine needs and is the oil good or bad.
I'm loving the mod and continue to use and if is notice something i let you know!

[id577]

Hi! Thank you for your interest in the mod!

Regarding your suggestions: yes, you are right, many trucks use 24V battery systems. At the moment, a 12V battery was chosen as a universal solution for all vehicles. I don’t think it is a critical issue, but we may add additional checks in the future — for example based on vehicle type or engine power — and support both 12V and 24V models. For now, this is not a priority.

About the wheel loader: I would need more details here. The overload warning only reacts to engine and transmission overload, so in your case there should not really be any warnings. Please describe it in more detail: which loader, what load, and which mod version are you using?

As for truck overload warnings, I admit there may be some issues there, because the model, and specifically the heavy trailer factor, was tuned for tractors and depends on engine power. This model may need to be made a bit more complex. I’ll add it to my notes.

Regarding technical fluids, this is actually already in development: full simulation of all technical fluids, including their degradation and the ability to replace them manually.

[Saibotsu]

Hi The wheel loader is Volvo L 180 and front of it is silage fork for 8000L of capacity . I was loading silage on the trailer when i got warning message and later the warning light flashed few times. I using current version With trailer the Case Magnum, John deere 8r and fendt 1000 can pull implements up to 42 tons the variation depends what region the tractor is. The 18 ton limitation is only when carting silage or grain and its due the safety regulations in EU for safe stopping distance. I've notice that tractor can pull 3 times of it's own weight. so if the Case is weighing around 10 ton it can pull around 30 ton so the gross weight is 40 tons. Hope it helps for making the mod even better. I've implemented the mod for my longest running save game so now i have loads of repairs lined up :)

Hey there and thanks from my side as well!
You use the vanilla Volvo L 180 H, right? And also the vanilla 8000l silage fork? (so no mods?) I tried to reproduce the problem, but on my end the vehicle works fine and there is no stress happening at all with a fully loaded silage fork. So I currently guess it may be a mod conflict causing this. :)

Do you mind posting a screenshot of the debug panel while your Volvo is currently being overloaded and the warning appears? You can enable the debug panel like that:

• Hit the "p" key on your keyboard and enter the shop menu
• Select ADS on the vertical menu on the left
• Select "Settings" on the horizontal tab on the very right
• Inside these settings, look for "debug menu" and enable it (4th entry from the top)
• Then, if you sit down in a vehicle supported by ADS, you'll see many variables like this. These help us see where the overload is coming from.

Do you use any other mods that somehow mess with physics or change the engine load?

Regarding the truck load: We're currently working on improving that behavior for trucks. :)

[SimulatedAcres]

Regarding “can pull 3 times its own weight” — where does that observation come from? Real life, or gameplay with ADS?

When we were tuning the heavy trailer factor, we did not have clear information about acceptable towing limits for tractors. Each manufacturer gives its own recommendations. Initially, we actually used the ratio between tractor weight and towed weight. However, later we found the unwritten rule of 10 hp per tonne of towed weight and considered it a more convenient option for the player, because it is easier to calculate.

For trucks, of course, a different approach is needed.

Overall, it is very difficult to tune the balance so that everything works logically and realistically everywhere, but we are trying :) Thank you for the information.

Hey,
Thank you for your time,
the 3 times of its own weight is based from real life, but the 10hp per tonne rule is also correct and better for FS calculations.
Just asking that is the ADS take account also tractors own weight or only calculate the trailer behind?
On my last stream notice that the 9rx was struggling to pull plow that was rated for 550 hp but tractor had 649hp. I had the stress level taken down to 30% and still i got the warning light. Only thing that maybe had affect was the cold ground, I was plowing in November

[SimulatedAcres]

Hi The wheel loader is Volvo L 180 and front of it is silage fork for 8000L of capacity . I was loading silage on the trailer when i got warning message and later the warning light flashed few times. I using current version With trailer the Case Magnum, John deere 8r and fendt 1000 can pull implements up to 42 tons the variation depends what region the tractor is. The 18 ton limitation is only when carting silage or grain and its due the safety regulations in EU for safe stopping distance. I've notice that tractor can pull 3 times of it's own weight. so if the Case is weighing around 10 ton it can pull around 30 ton so the gross weight is 40 tons. Hope it helps for making the mod even better. I've implemented the mod for my longest running save game so now i have loads of repairs lined up :)

Hey there and thanks from my side as well! You use the vanilla Volvo L 180 H, right? And also the vanilla 8000l silage fork? (so no mods?) I tried to reproduce the problem, but on my end the vehicle works fine and there is no stress happening at all with a fully loaded silage fork. So I currently guess it may be a mod conflict causing this. :)

Do you mind posting a screenshot of the debug panel while your Volvo is currently being overloaded and the warning appears? You can enable the debug panel like that:

* Hit the "p" key on your keyboard and enter the shop menu

* Select ADS on the vertical menu on the left

* Select "Settings" on the horizontal tab on the very right

* Inside these settings, look for "debug menu" and enable it (4th entry from the top)

* Then, if you sit down in a vehicle supported by ADS, you'll see many variables like this. These help us see where the overload is coming from.

Do you use any other mods that somehow mess with physics or change the engine load?

Regarding the truck load: We're currently working on improving that behavior for trucks. :)

Hey
Yes i was using the Vanilla machines and exact same setup.
I got the light and message after i had fully filled the trailer and then i got message that i over loaded.
I will take the screenshot next time i use it.
I only use enchanted vehicle mod and the tire mod that will wear out the tires. All the rest are machines and course mods.

[id577]

Hey, Thank you for your time, the 3 times of its own weight is based from real life, but the 10hp per tonne rule is also correct and better for FS calculations. Just asking that is the ADS take account also tractors own weight or only calculate the trailer behind? On my last stream notice that the 9rx was struggling to pull plow that was rated for 550 hp but tractor had 649hp. I had the stress level taken down to 30% and still i got the warning light. Only thing that maybe had affect was the cold ground, I was plowing in November

The heavy trailer factor only takes into account the trailer weight and the engine power of the vehicle that is towing it.

As I mentioned before, this factor used to be calculated through the ratio between the tractor’s own weight and the weight of the towed trailer, but later we moved away from that approach. In principle, it does not change much, because we made a table of tractor weight vs power, and the values are almost linear: weight generally increases together with vehicle power, with only a few exceptions. However, using horsepower makes the calculation easier for the player.

Implement weight is only considered in the hydraulic factors, and only when the implement is lifted.

When you are pulling something like a plow, ADS looks at the engine load. Engine load is a fully vanilla value coming from the game engine. So in your case, the game itself considers that your 9RX is struggling with that plow.

To be clear: it is not ADS deciding that the 9RX cannot handle the plow. The game reports high engine load, ADS reads that overload, and then starts increasing stress in the systems.

That said, I do plan to do a small rebalance and reduce the impact of some factors in scenarios where the required implement power is close to the vehicle’s own power.

[id577]

Hey Yes i was using the Vanilla machines and exact same setup. I got the light and message after i had fully filled the trailer and then i got message that i over loaded. I will take the screenshot next time i use it. I only use enchanted vehicle mod and the tire mod that will wear out the tires. All the rest are machines and course mods.

Regarding the overload warning on the Volvo L180H: we found the issue and will fix it in the future.

The problem is that the Volvo L180H is an articulated vehicle. If you steer while standing still, the wheel slip factor is unexpectedly triggered. At the moment, this can be considered a bug.

Try not to steer while the vehicle is stationary :)

[id577]

To continue the 9RX topic: I found you on YouTube and quickly looked through your latest stream.

Please note that when even a slight incline appears, the tractor cannot maintain the working speed with that implement, and the speed drops to 5 km/h. At that moment, the engine is trying to reach 10 km/h and is loaded at 100%, which leads to critical overloads.

From the ADS side, everything is working as intended. If you think this is unrealistic, then that is an issue with the game itself, not the mod :)

P.S. The horsepower requirements shown in the shop are often incorrect. This applies even to vanilla implements, not to mention modded ones.

[SimulatedAcres]

Thanks your input, it helps a lot. So the game it self overloads the machine (I'm not surprised)
While thinking about it i notice that the game always tries to switch highest gear as possible so like real life higher gear means less torque and more load on the engine. So i tried manual sifting and that fixes the overload issue, the tractor can pull but just lower speed, its normal because uphill requires anyway more power.
I'm surprised that game shows wrong hp requirements- that explains a lot.
I really appreciate the time you and the team put into this mod, its awesome and if i can be useful let me know, meanwhile i keep using it .

[id577]

Yes, the shifting logic in FS is also far from perfect.

ADS has a factor that triggers and increases stress in the transmission system when RPM is low while engine load is high. And FS allows this situation quite often.

As a result, players who use automatic shifting will experience transmission breakdowns more often. To be honest, there is no really good solution here, other than warning the player about it.

[SimulatedAcres]

I forget one thing, if all my machine batteries are dead how i can jump start them? For now i know that you can use another machine to jump start dead machine, but will be there a jump start kit that you can buy and keep in your workshop? Or there is already one and i just don't know where to look?

[id577]

At the moment, ADS only has two ways to charge a battery: jump-start it from another vehicle and wait for the alternator to do its job, or perform any maintenance procedure, which also charges the battery.

Of course, we plan to add a portable battery charger that can be connected to a vehicle to charge the battery, as well as a jump start kit for starting vehicles in the field when the battery is dead.

The problem is that this requires 3D models, and making them takes a lot of time because I am not a specialist in that area.

[Arissani]

there is a mod that is a mobile PTO that works great for jump starting and its great to just put in your shop for the time being