[Major bug] Tattlesanity + random enemies = locked out of checks

[kaitlynia]

If you enable Tattlesanity and random encounters, you might find that some Tattles are impossible.

I've got a guess as to why this happens. At the start of the run, both KP Koopa Tattles were in Frankly's trash:

This is likely a failsafe so KP Koopa can be "retired" already when a run starts, but both enemies are still randomized:

So, that's two enemies that are just not here at all, and in this particular run, they were both exclusive to Glitz Pit (Red and Green Magikoopas).

What I believe needs to change is that the randomized slots that mix with KP entries need to be binned instead of the KP logs. Either this or Armored Harriers are not handled properly and they override the entries of enemies in their slots post-randomization

[Dinohat]

I think I have the same issue - The spoiler log says I should have at least 4 enemy encounters to progress but It is impossible -
I had a hunch that these items are"possible" in the different formation tables - but I have not found them after much grinding.
the pop tracker is showing 2 enemies in green but have not found either and there is no possible check unless it has made wrong logic or hidden behind ungettable formations?

[JRTRCT]

For what it's worth, the poptracker pack does not yet support the combination of random encounters + tattlesanity.

[earthor1]

I need to do build on the poptracker pack as it's currently a few versions behind currently. At this time however PT only checks if you have access to their vanilla tattle locations.

[Dinohat]

it might of been simpler as to why i couldn't progress earlier - now that i have the boat and come to this room in sewers - the 2 enemies needed in the early game (poison pokey and spiked goomba) was found in this room - maybe it thought i could access these fights when i was only able to get the the room beside it.

[kaitlynia]

This has happened to me in yet another run. I have 5 tattles that are inaccessible (I've checked Pit and all available chapters) and 1 is prog and another is goal

This would be less annoying if PopTracker supported the actual location of the tattle so that I can confirm I didn't just miss it, otherwise I'm always worried about admin conning it. But this is the biggest bug in the project right now

EDIT: Huh, in my OP it was also Magikoopa, maybe just a coincidence though

[jamesbrq]

Something like this is hard to debug without your game data, if you have your spoiler and output zip files if you can share them in a bug report thread in the discord that would be appreciated.

[kaitlynia]

I don't use Discord, I will post them here however

Hyper Bald Cleft has been in logic since Sphere 4 (as soon as I got Goombella) but wasn't reachable until I could just goal anyway. I also didn't see Blimp Ticket (would be required for vanilla location) in logic until Sphere 24, so even under the circumstances that the patch did not randomize enemies, this would still be incorrect logic.

Tattle: Green Magikoopa was Crystal Star in this run and was the only remaining progression item in my game, and I still haven't found it yet. There seems to be exactly 2 enemies again (and coincidentally all of these have been from the Magikoopas fight in Glitz Pit) like my original post that aren't just out-of-logic but nowhere to be found

Patch: https://petal.im/uploads/bugged-patch-1.apttyd
Full spoiler: https://petal.im/uploads/bugged-mw-spoiler.txt

edit: probably confusing but I hacked in that tattle so I could finish, but I meant I'm still looking for where this enemy is

[kaitlynia]

Another interesting thing to note is that this mod considers tattles trashable based on their original locations. I have finished Hooktail Castle so I was able to collect this tattle from the trash, but Red Bones can still be found here on this seed (the Wizzerds to the right of Riddle Tower), so it's worth considering changing it so trash logic is based on final locations

edit: just finished the seed, could not find either Green or White Magikoopa anywhere, and White was Train Ticket (not needed for goal)

[kaitlynia]

Update: Green Magikoopa can be seen on stage in Glitz Pit fights, but the encountered enemy in the fight is not the same. I have reproduced through multiple randomizations that Green Magikoopa is not encounterable using full randomization, with or without Tattlesanity enabled

[kaitlynia]

Yo I found a White Magikoopa

Tattlesanity was not used in this run though