Wallop, Talk to the Hand give block too late vs Thorns

[exscape]

When attacking enemies with Thorns, Wallop gives you block after taking damage (vs before, protecting you in StS 1).
The same applies to Talk to the Hand, which also gives block prior to Thorns in StS 1.

I had a look at trying to improve these, but couldn't find an easy solution (unlike Like Water in #80).

Talk to the Hand (BlockReturnPower) runs in AfterAttack (and AfterDeath).
Thorns runs in BeforeDamageReceived, which may be the best target for Talk to the Hand, but I would assume the result depends on which power is applied first since the game iterates over a hook list; if so, that's no good. The ideal case would probably be to use BeforeDamageReceived but ensure our power runs first; I'm not sure if this is possible or not without a Harmony patch...? Is there no kind of priority system?

Wallop also runs in AfterAttack which is too late, but is clearly convenient since it gives you the unblocked damage number "for free". Here, I can't even see a hint of a solution; trying to calculate the unblocked damage manually may well be a nightmare with all the possible power and relic interactions.

[lamali292]

Wallop just follows Fisticuffs logic

Fisticuffs
Deal 7 damage.
Gain Block equal to damage dealt.

I think it would be confusing if the same card description did something different for Wallop, even if it's different to STS1.

the order in BeforeDamageReceived depends on the apply order i think (or when it was added to combatstate).
So logic would maybe be differnt if Thorns or Talk to the Hand was applied first.
But i can look into that if there is a solution for this.

[exscape]

Hmm, that's a good point. Though it's still not exactly the same; Fisticuffs doesn't care about block, nor about if the enemy dies; you get all your block even if the enemy has 99 block, or 0 block and 1 hp.

I agree that it should work like in BeforeDamageReceived, but in a quick (one-off) test, I couldn't reproduce it. I used Talk to the Hand on the toad turn 1, before his Thorns, but the thorns still hit me before I gained the block.