New quest: Oneway on separate cycleways

[Discostu36]

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: oneway

Question asked:

• Is it allowed to drive on this cycleway in both directions?
• Is it allowed to drive on this path in both directions?

Answer options:

• Yes
  oneway=no is tagged
• No
  Direction is asked. oneway=yes or oneway=-1 is tagged

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary (see below)
• 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
• 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Ideas for implementation

Element selection:

• highway=cycleway or
• highway=path with bicycle=designated or
• highway=footway with bicycle=designated and
• no oneway tag

I don't think this should be asked for ways with bicycle=yes because of the "no spam" rule. There might be many ways, especially in rural areas, where bicycles are allowed without any signage, so that oneway would be no most of the time.

If it is not ok to have a quest that might sometimes be only anwerable by cyclists, selection has also to include:

• foot=yes/designated in case of highway=cycleway
• foot!=no in case of highway=path or
• way allowed for pedestrians near the cycleway

Further selection refinements
These have come up in discussion here and with the OSM community

• Ways tagged with oneway:bicycle should possibly be excluded because there might be different oneway rules for different vehicles here
• Ways tagged with is_sidepath=no should possibly be excluded because oneway rules usually only apply to cycleways next to a road
• It might be a good idea to geometrically only select ways that are near a highway=primary/secondary/...

Metadata needed:
This is written from a German perspective, where cycleways next to a street are oneway if not explicitely signed otherwise. If there are countries where this is not the case (answers would always be no or always yes), a list would need to be created to exclude them.

Proposed UI:

• I don't know if the oneway quest could be a blueprint, I don't have it in front of me

[Discostu36]

Rationale
In my hometown, oneway tags on cycleways are missing quite often, leading to bicycle routers giving illegal instructions.

[joshinils]

I think it would be better to tag oneway:bicycle, since many paths are shared use, and then the oneway property is only applicable to cycling.

and/or ask for any way where cycling is legal wether cycling is legal in both directions and tag according to what kind of highway it is.

should also cover non-oneway contrtaflow for bicycles

[joshinils]

should a hw=residential with oneway=yes get the additional tag oneway:bicycle=yes too? or is that since it is implied unnecessary and superfluous?

i think this info is better to have than not know if cycling in both directions is legal and relying on the default behaviour

[Discostu36]

oneway is much more established on highway=path and highway=cycleway than oneway:bicycle and I don't know cases where a path is only oneway for specific vehicle types.

oneway:bicycle on highway=residential with oneway=yes is already tagged in cycleway quest.

[Discostu36]

I have edited my initial idea to have different wordings for cycleways and paths, and to use the verb “drive” to make it more obvious that this is not about travelling by foot.

[matkoniecz]

Definitely does not makes sense in Poland.

[mnalis]

@Discostu36 you mean bicycle=designated, not cycleway=designated, right? Also, I think verb to cycle would be clearer then to drive.

[mnalis]

Definitely does not makes sense in Poland.

@matkoniecz what exactly does not make sense? Whole quest idea (e.g. all cycling infrastructure in Poland is always oneway? Or never oneway?). Or you only dislike that wording change?

Quest itself makes sense in Croatia - taginfo here says about 56% of bicycle=designated have oneway tagged: about 4 times more yes than no, which coincides with my estimate - most of cycleways here (both standalone cycleways, and more popular ones with segregated pedestrians) are oneway here, but about quarter do have dual tracks drawn for bicycles (one for each direction). It would be nice to clarify remaining 44% undefined ones.

(of course, in Croatia there is always the problematic issue of traffic culture: often some cyclists will drive in illegal direction, or pedestrians will walk on designated cycleways, or cyclist will drive on areas designated for pedestrians, or cars will illegally park on both of those etc. -- but such misbehaviors are not related to what is legal situation on the ground - i.e. what should mapped in OSM)

[Discostu36]

@Discostu36 you mean bicycle=designated, not cycleway=designated, right?

Yes, thank you, I've corrected that.

Also, I think verb to cycle would be clearer then to drive.

I chose that word on purpose because (again written from a German perspective) cycleways are often also allowed for other single-tracked vehicles (e.g. moped, small electric vehicle) that have to follow the same one-way rule.

[mnalis]

@matkoniecz what exactly does not make sense? Whole quest idea (e.g. all cycling infrastructure in Poland is always oneway? Or never oneway?)

BTW, here is quick overpass to colorize cycleways which are/aren't oneway: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1rAw

I chose that word on purpose because (again written from a German perspective) cycleways are often also allowed for other single-tracked vehicles (e.g. moped, small electric vehicle) that have to follow the same one-way rule.

Ah, OK then.

[matkoniecz]

@matkoniecz what exactly does not make sense? Whole quest idea (e.g. all cycling infrastructure in Poland is always oneway? Or never oneway?). Or you only dislike that wording change?

vanishingly small part of cycleways is oneway, and these ones are typically already tagged with oneway

BTW, here is quick overpass to colorize cycleways which are/aren't oneway: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1rAw

and one that takes into account that oneway tagging on all cycleways in Poland makes as much sense as tagging oneway on every single road: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1rB9 (blue is no oneway tag at all and I disabled POIsation of small features in settings, red is still explicit oneway=no, green for oneway cycleways)

Situation is the same in Kraków (though maybe some city/town went into direction of spamming oneway cycleways? But they would need to bother with signing that, cycleways are two-way by default)

[westnordost]

Are these cycleways that go alongside a road (like sidewalks) but have been mapped separately?

Such cycleways, are they two-way by default in Poland? I.e. if this was in Poland , would no police officer be able to give oncoming cyclists a fine? (Speaking of de-jure here, not de-facto)

[matkoniecz]

Are these cycleways that go alongside a road (like sidewalks) but have been mapped separately?

Very large part of them.

Such cycleways, are they two-way by default in Poland?

Yes.

For example cycling from https://www.google.de/maps/@53.5596781,9.9821645,3a,75y,51.97h,76.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shhXO0EBhR3QI50CMwBe58g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?ucbcb=1 someone would be able to turn both left and right

The same on https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0829338,19.9716556,3a,90y,236.97h,87.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_HldYnj6sz-CTZq2g_EmjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Or https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0870515,19.9518892,3a,75y,208.65h,88.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXD8i0-vPo7zRsd-nIkDZmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en (vertical traffic signs marking cycleway are a bit far away, especially left one, but horizontal are clear)

Or https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0896778,19.9132975,3a,75y,191h,94.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-yE7_lW-wo6XBYrlpqaiAQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (though here with extremely pedantic interpretation of turn right sign you can argue otherwise, but even the most obnoxious police told to "fine X cyclists today" has not ever tried this one)

You need dedicated no entry sign to get oneway cycleway, here is case of tiny one-way connector: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0744569,19.9088514,3a,75y,254.39h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skAR2L-TN_B_rR6ASGpkl2w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

[westnordost]

@matkoniecz Hmm interesting. What about protected cycle lanes? I.e. they are pretty much on the road surface but there is a small kerb-like barrier in-between?

So in Germany, all cycleways that go alongside a street (like sidewalks) are oneway unless posted otherwise. oneway=yes (or -1) is kind of the default assumption if the tag is missing. However, in this case it is of course difficult for data consumers to ascertain automatically which direction the oneway should be. So it could be argued that it is kind of an error if it is not set.

Anyway, I lean towards accepting this quest but only for countries in which this rule exists. I.e. not in Poland. However, the oneway-ness of cycleways is also kind of difficult to survey on foot because like for maxspeeds, one may have to walk towards the next intersection to see if there are signs as it is not obvious from the physical properties of the cycleway. This in turn could lead to some wrong data being added by StreetComplete surveyors as they may not be used to do so much work to solve a single quest. One reason why the maxspeed quest is disabled by default. ... maybe make this quest then disabled by default too.

@Discostu36 or others that are interested in this quest: What is needed for this quest suggestion to be approved is to:

1. Ask in the [German, etc.] community whether oneway=* is seen to be somewhat of a required tag for highway=cycleway (+ highway=path or footway with bicycle=designated) and thus it is okay and not spammy to add it to every single cycleway, even if it is yes or -1 in > 90% of the cases. Or alternatively/additionally, analyze the current data with overpass/taginfo - what is the de-facto tagging practice with oneway on highway=cycleway (in the different countries)?

2. (opt:) Research in which other countries the oneway-rule for cycleways exist. I.e. in Poland obviously not. In France? In the UK? Etc... - only for these countries, the quest should be enabled.