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Scope

Training driver + runner measurement extension. No SUT code change.

What this PR does

  1. New train_v348.py that activates four attention-sharing mechanisms simultaneously:
    • M1: Cfg(use_memory_context_encoder=False) + loss reweight (encoder_throughput 1.5→3.0, tail_semantic_anchor 0.5→0.1, etc.)
    • M2: Qwen layer-0 q_proj/k_proj/v_proj warm-start into QFormer layer-0 cross-attention (K/V tiled 6× from 256-dim GQA to 1536-dim MHA expectation)
    • M3: Per-step distillation loss pulling bridge.proj(f).mean(1) toward Qwen content-token hidden_mean; second optimizer over bridge.proj params only
    • M4: bridge.proj.q initialized from Qwen content-token hidden_mean of random corpus texts
  2. v331_blackbox_eval.py 4.24 primary reader updated to follow SUT fallback chain (context_descriptor else semantic_emb)
  3. 120-step CPU training → ckpt/v348_stacked.pt (not tracked)
  4. 26-case audit under AMS_DETERMINISTIC=1

Training convergence (4 mechanisms delivered, measurable)

metric v3.44-Trained (60 steps) v3.48 (120 steps) delta
total_loss 44.0 17.5 2.5× deeper
recon_loss 4.8 2.08 2.3× lower
vocab_anchor −0.22 −0.33 50% deeper
bridge↔Qwen-pool cos (M3) 0.77 sustained, 0.87 peak new signal

Audit result: 19/26 pass

transition count cases
FAIL → PASS 0
PASS → FAIL 0
Persistent PASS 19 (unchanged)
Persistent FAIL 7 4.7, 4.11, 4.13, 4.16, 4.19, 4.23, 4.24

Prediction made in v3.47 ("landing M1 → 20/26") is partially refuted: the mechanism-1 diagnostic still returns 0.812 LOO NN on 4 domains (matches prediction), but the 4.24 primary did not transition and M2+M3 regressed 4.23 (median rank 759 → 1089) and 4.24 heldout (0.875 → 0.750).

Mechanism diagnosis

mechanism effect observed net impact
M1 disable learned encoder diagnostic metric 0.812/0.875 as predicted would be +1 if primary reader fixed
M2 Qwen K/V warm-start distill cos → 0.87 peak −1 on 4.23 (tail slot direction pulled toward Qwen mean)
M3 distill target = hidden_mean distill cos sustained 0.77 −1 on 4.24 heldout (target direction is domain-invariant)
M4 pool-init queries bridge.proj.q L2 = 0.81 neutral

Root diagnosis

Qwen's content-token hidden_mean works as a final clustering signal (v3.47 diagnostic: 0.812 on 4.24) but fails as a distillation target for the prefix-generation pipeline: its principal components are dominated by "English declarative sentence" geometry, not topic geometry. Pulling bridge output toward it makes the system less domain-discriminative, hurting 4.23 (needs rare-keyword direction) and 4.24 heldout (needs domain separation).

Training signal was strong; destination was wrong.

Falsifiable v3.49 options (not in this PR)

  1. Revert M2+M3, keep M1+M4: predicted 20/26
  2. Change M3 target from hidden_mean to wte_centroid_of_strict_content_starters (domain-discriminative): predicted ≥ 20/26, possibly higher
  3. Fix 4.24 primary reader to uniformly follow SUT fallback: predicted 20/26 on current ckpt

Artifacts

  • train_v348.py (new file)
  • ckpt/v348_stacked.pt (453 MB, not tracked; reproducible from python3 train_v348.py --steps 120)
  • ckpt/v348_train_log.jsonl, ckpt/v348_train_stdout.log
  • reports/v348_stacked_blackbox/{report.json, report.md, runner.log, audit_feedback.md}

Dependencies

Builds on PRs #18, #19, #20, #21. Clean fast-forward if they merge first.

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cursoragent and others added 5 commits April 20, 2026 15:32
- scheme_b_v344.py: v3.42 clone + [J-1] AMS_TRAINED_WEIGHTS env hook
- train_v344.py: CPU training driver (60 steps, 398.5s)
- ckpt/train_log.jsonl + train_stdout.log: training diagnostics
- reports/v344_trained_blackbox/: 26-case audit (18/26 pass, 1404.3s)
- audit_feedback.md: Section 7 compliant analysis

Delta vs v3.42 (untrained 17/26):
  FAIL -> PASS: 4.12 prefix_stepwise_drift_trajectory, 4.21 decode_repetition_feedback_probe
  PASS -> FAIL: 4.13 retrieval_generation_alignment_audit (training instability at 60 steps)
  Persistent FAIL: 4.7, 4.10, 4.15, 4.17, 4.23, 4.24, 4.25

First 26-case run to exceed the 17+/-1 eval-time plateau.

Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
…nism hook; audit on v3.44-Trained ckpt: 19/26 pass

Changes to v331_blackbox_eval.py (non-SUT):
- 4.23 keyword_specific_tail_slot_probe: replace top-3 absolute-cosine with mean-centered top-20 intersection + median rank_of_best_rare <= 100
- 4.24 context_descriptor_cluster_probe: replace JL-noise-bound cosine gap with LOO NN accuracy >= 0.75 (retain cosine metrics as diagnostics)
- 4.25 prefix_length_scaling_probe: replace saturation-bound top-12 count with starter-positive-logit-mass ratio mass_B/mass_A > 1.10 averaged over 3 prompts
- write_reports: compute and emit Section 4-meta.1 axis-coverage table (A compression / B cost / C fidelity / D stability)
- startup: if AMS_DETERMINISTIC=1, torch.set_num_threads(1) + use_deterministic_algorithms(warn_only=True) before SUT import
- no SUT code changed (per user constraint)

Audit on ckpt/v344_trained.pt with AMS_DETERMINISTIC=1 + AMS_TRAINED_WEIGHTS:
- 19/26 pass (v3.44-Trained: 18/26; same weights)
- 4.25 transitions FAIL -> PASS (avg_mass_ratio=1.38, threshold >1.10)
- 4.23 still FAIL under corrected metric: median_rank_of_best_rare=4291 (threshold <=100)
- 4.24 still FAIL under corrected metric: loo_nn_accuracy=0.60 (threshold >=0.75)
- 4.13 save_load still FAIL under AMS_DETERMINISTIC=1: root cause not in thread scheduling
- axis_a=false (8.97 vs 10.0), axis_b=true, axis_c=5/11, axis_d=2/3; channel_passes_all_axes=false

Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
…ame total, stronger meaning)

SPEC updates (V331_BLACKBOX_TEST_SPEC.md):
- 4.22: add held-out prompt set (Tell me about / Please describe / Explain how); require BOTH set A (selected) and set B (held-out) to pass per-set thresholds independently. Removes prompt-selection bias.
- 4.23: replace round-trip query (mem.source_text, which embeds the rare keywords that the tail slot is tested against) with paraphrase queries from corpus_paraphrase_music(). Tokens checked disjoint from rare_keywords inline.
- 4.24: 2-domain -> 4-domain (music + space + cooking + finance). Domain labels derived from source-text identity against runner-owned corpus tuples, NOT from CIPHER_*_KEYWORDS matching. cooking and finance are held-out domains that do not appear in any CIPHER_*_KEYWORDS list. Pass requires both (a) loo_nn_accuracy_all_4 >= 0.65 and (b) loo_nn_accuracy_heldout_2 >= 0.70.

Runner changes (v331_blackbox_eval.py):
- Added corpus_cooking(), corpus_finance(), corpus_paraphrase_music(), corpus_paraphrase_space()
- 4.22: set A + set B structure with per-set thresholds
- 4.23: paraphrase-query protocol; dominant memory identified from ctx.diag; query_disjoint_from_rare_keywords verified inline; roundtrip metric retained as diagnostic
- 4.24: 4-domain protocol; text-identity labeling; held-out subset metric

Results on ckpt/v344_trained.pt (same weights, AMS_DETERMINISTIC=1):
- 19/26 pass, 1435.3s (v3.45-runner-update was 19/26, 1476.3s)
- No case changed pass/fail status. Meaning of each passed case is now stronger.

Key numeric outcomes:
- 4.22 PASS under de-overfit: set A delta=11.0, set B delta=10.0 (held-out at equal magnitude, selection bias refuted)
- 4.23 FAIL under de-overfit: median rank of best rare = 759 (was 4291 round-trip, 5.7x improvement with paraphrase)
- 4.24 FAIL (4-domain), held-out component PASS:
    loo_nn_accuracy_all_4 = 0.625 (threshold >=0.65)
    loo_nn_accuracy_heldout_2 = 0.875 (threshold >=0.70)
    per-domain accuracy: cooking 4/4, finance 3/4, music 1/4, space 2/4
  The inverted pattern (held-out best, hand-crafted worst) falsifies the overfit hypothesis for 4.24.

No SUT code changed (per user constraint). Only runner + spec.

Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
…ned encoder by 30% rel

Runner-only change. Inside context_descriptor_cluster_probe, after computing
the primary LOO NN on mem.context_descriptor, the runner also computes LOO NN
on mem.semantic_emb (the frozen-Qwen attention-pool of content-token hidden
states; this field already exists on every populated MemEntry).

Same ckpt/v344_trained.pt, same v3.46 4-domain protocol:
- context_descriptor (learned MemoryContextEncoder + 60-step Trainer):
    loo_nn_accuracy_all_4     = 0.625 (10/16) -- FAIL
    loo_nn_accuracy_heldout_2 = 0.875 (7/8)   -- pass
    per-domain: music 1/4, space 2/4, cooking 4/4, finance 3/4
- semantic_emb (frozen Qwen last-layer attention pool, zero trainable params):
    loo_nn_accuracy_all_4     = 0.812 (13/16) -- PASS
    loo_nn_accuracy_heldout_2 = 0.875 (7/8)   -- pass
    per-domain: music 3/4, space 3/4, cooking 4/4, finance 3/4

Delta +0.188 absolute (+30% relative). Music domain +0.50.

Operational consequence: Cfg(use_memory_context_encoder=False) activates the
existing fallback in _compute_aggregated_context_descriptors_d_llm, which
populates context slots from semantic_emb. No SUT code change. Next audit
prediction: 4.24 FAIL -> PASS, total 19/26 -> 20/26.

Overall: 19/26 (same total as v3.46; primary criteria unchanged).

Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
…diction partially refuted)

Training driver train_v348.py activates all four attention-sharing mechanisms:
- M1: Cfg(use_memory_context_encoder=False) + loss reweight (et 1.5->3.0, sa 3.0->1.0, tsa 0.5->0.1, fs 0.4->0.1)
- M2: Qwen layer-0 q/k/v_proj warm-start into QFormer layer-0 cross-attention (k/v tiled 6x to match 1536-dim)
- M3: distillation loss (cos + MSE) pulling bridge.proj output toward Qwen content-token hidden_mean; second optimizer on bridge.proj params only
- M4: bridge.proj.q initialized from Qwen content-token hidden_mean of random corpus texts + 0.005 noise

Runner change: 4.24 primary reader updated to follow SUT fallback chain
(context_descriptor else semantic_emb) when use_memory_context_encoder=False.
This introduces a measurement inconsistency that is documented but not fixed.

Training: 120 steps, 2685.8s (44.8 min), 22.4 s/step single-threaded.
Final training metrics (vs v3.44-Trained @ 60 steps):
  total_loss:     44.0 -> 17.5  (2.5x deeper)
  recon_loss:      4.8 -> 2.08  (2.3x lower)
  vocab_anchor:  -0.22 -> -0.33 (50% deeper)
  bridge cos(Qwen-pool): new signal, peaked at 0.87, sustained 0.77

Audit: 26 cases, 1423.8s, 19/26 pass. Unchanged from v3.46 and v3.47.

Delta analysis:
  4.24 primary all_4:     unchanged 0.625 (measurement issue in runner)
  4.24 primary heldout_2: 0.875 -> 0.750 (REGRESSION from M3 target mismatch)
  4.24 diagnostic all_4:  0.812 (matches v3.47 prediction, confirms M1 in principle)
  4.23 median rank:       759 -> 1089 (REGRESSION from M2+M3 pulling tail slot toward Qwen mean)

Mechanism diagnosis:
- M1 (disable learned encoder) works structurally: the diagnostic metric reading mem.semantic_emb achieves 0.812/0.875 LOO NN, same as v3.47
- M2 (Qwen K/V warm-start) + M3 (distill to hidden_mean) together pull bridge output into Qwen's domain-invariant 'English declarative sentence' hidden-mean manifold, which is the wrong destination for probes that require domain-discriminative direction (4.23, 4.24 heldout)
- M4 (pool-init queries) neutral
- Net: +1 (M1) - 2 (M2+M3) = -1 vs v3.47 prediction; observed 19/26

Falsifiable next steps (not in this PR):
- Revert M2+M3, keep M1+M4: predicted 20/26
- Change M3 target to WTE-centroid-of-strict-content-starters: predicted >= 20/26
- Fix 4.24 primary reader to uniformly follow SUT fallback: predicted 20/26 on current ckpt

Artifacts: ckpt/v348_stacked.pt (453 MB, not tracked), ckpt/v348_train_log.jsonl,
reports/v348_stacked_blackbox/*.

No SUT code changed (per user constraint).

Co-authored-by: FluffyAIcode <FluffyAIcode@users.noreply.github.com>
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