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Row: GFX1100-TG200
Issue: #2886
Depends on: #2807 (T25)

Summary

Prefill M-tiled K-quant GEMM arm (KQuantGemmMTiledK) that streams each weight row once and applies it to 16 consecutive activation rows, cutting weight-side traffic ~16-fold at m > 1. Bit-identical to the baseline KQuantGemmK dispatch.

VT_PREFILL_TILE=1 (default OFF). Dispatched for m > 1 only; the m == 1 decode GEMV/coop arms are untouched.

Benchmark

A/B interleaved, 5 pairs, Qwen3.5-4B Q4_K_M, 256 tokens, temp 0, seed 0:

Pair A (T25 chain) B (T25+T36) Delta
1 32.424 32.406 -0.06%
2 32.376 32.455 +0.24%
3 32.375 32.398 +0.07%
4 32.390 32.451 +0.19%
5 32.321 32.414 +0.29%
Median 32.376 32.414 +0.10%

Noise in decode — T36 targets prefill (m > 1). The decode-only benchmark does not exercise this path.

Token identity

PASS — identical output to T25 chain.

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… kROCM

The GGUF loader routes a block-typed weight to MatmulBTQuant whenever the
running device has the provider, so registering these two ops lights up
keep-quant compute on every ROCm board with no model-path change: the
dense and grouped MoE towers stage once through ResidentWeight and
dispatch to the new device GEMM.

Coverage mirrors the CUDA sibling exactly — the ten Q8_K-family
encodings plus a native Q8_0 arm. The integer dots are the portable
scalar forms of the CPU reference bodies in the CPU accumulation order,
because gfx1100 exposes no signed byte dot (v_dot4_i32_iu8 is
unsigned-only; sdot4 needs a feature this target does not offer), and
the gate is bit-exactness against the CPU tier at NMSE 1e-6 with the f64
dequant band at 5e-4. Unsupported dtypes throw naming the dtype instead
of silently falling back to a host kernel that cannot follow device
pointers; VT_GGUF_KEEP_QUANT=0 restores load-time expansion.

Gates on gfx1100 / ROCm 7.14.0: test_rocm_quant_dot 132,094 assertions
green across all ten encodings (decode through prefill shapes, broadcast
and per-row grouped arms over a poisoned output buffer), focused
ctest 'rocm|cross_device|quant' 20/21 with only the pre-existing
MoeSiluMul bf16 exactness failure (mudler#1588) remaining, and an end-to-end
Qwen3.5-0.8B Q4_K_M decode that is deterministic on device.

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Adds the VT_GEMV_MMVQ=1 opt-in K-quant decode GEMV arm for MatmulBTQuant,
bit-exact vs the CPU oracle. The arm folds activation quant into the MMVQ
GEMV prologue (deleting the standalone QuantizeQ8KK launch) and widens the
gate to engine dtypes (bf16/f16 activations, bf16/f32 outputs).

Sub-levers:
- lever-B1: VT_GEMV_MMVQ_FOLD_MAX makes the fold crossover tunable at runtime
- lever-B2: VT_SKINNY_BF16=1 f32-out decode-skinny arm for GDN BA projections
- repair: m-gates the whole dispatch and makes the GEMV bit-equal to baseline
- repair-2: host-side dispatch-route counters + F1/F2 routing-witness gates
- lever-B2 test: red-first f32-out decode-skinny gate, true-unset routing window

Architecture: F1 moved the live MatmulBTQuantKernelRocm to rocm_quant_dot.hip
(anonymous namespace, internal linkage). T4a's MMVQ arm lives in
rocm_grouped_gemm.hip's version (external linkage, renamed to *Gdn). This PR
adds delegation: rocm_quant_dot.hip forwards Q4_K/Q5_K/Q6_K calls to the Gdn
version, preserving F1's IQ-type providers while activating T4a's MMVQ arm.

The default path (VT_GEMV_MMVQ unset) is byte-unchanged from F1. The arm is
opt-in and validated by test_rocm_quant_dot (6/6 cases, 719 assertions) and
test_rocm_skinny_f32 (2/2 cases, 51 assertions). Token-identical to upstream
baseline on Qwen3.5-4B Q4_K, 32-token greedy decode, seed 0.

Depends on mudler#2782 (F1 keep-quant GEMM infra).

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…Norm epilogue

Lever-C adds an opt-in fused norm-quant epilogue (VT_NORM_QUANT_FUSED=1):
RmsNormRowKernel emits the row's Q8_K blocks alongside its normal output,
and MatmulBTQuant's K-quant branch skips the standalone QuantizeQ8KK when
the consuming activation matches the producer token. Byte-identical to the
standalone path by construction (shared QuantQ8KSBlock body).

New files:
- src/vt/rocm/rocm_act_quant.h: shared Q8_K quant-block body
- src/vt/rocm/rocm_norm_quant_bridge.h: producer-consumer token contract

Also fixes T4a routing counter placement (moved outside anonymous namespace
for external linkage) and restores VT_GEMV_MMVQ_FOLD_MAX env var reading
that was lost during cherry-pick conflict resolution.

The default path (VT_NORM_QUANT_FUSED unset) is byte-unchanged. Validated by
test_rocm_quant_dot (12/12 cases, 797 assertions). Token-identical to upstream
baseline on Qwen3.5-4B Q4_K, 32-token greedy decode, seed 0.

Depends on mudler#2782 (F1) and mudler#2790 (T4a).

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The standalone QuantizeQ8KK kernel used 1 thread per 256-element superblock,
each doing a serial scan of 256 elements (~800 instructions). For decode
(m=1, nsb=10) only 10 of 128 threads were active, and on wave32 each thread
is its own wave, so the kernel took ~13.4 us/call = 540 us/tok (6.0% of
wall time).

The new QuantizeQ8KKWarpCoop kernel uses 8 threads per superblock (32
elements each). The amax scan is done per-chunk (ascending, ax > amax
first-occurrence), then reduced across 8 threads via __shfl_xor_sync with
lower-chunk-index tie-break — equivalent to a sequential scan of all 256
elements. The quantization (iscale = -127/mx, DNearestInt, clamp 127) and
bsums are order-independent. Output is BYTE-IDENTICAL to the original
QuantQ8KSBlock, asserted by the gate test (16/16, 839 assertions) under
VT_QUANT_Q8K_WARP=1.

For m=1, nsb=10: 1 block, 80/128 threads active (vs 10/128), 3 waves of
~100 instructions (vs 10 waves of ~800) = ~8x fewer wave-cycles.

A/B on acceptance workload (Qwen3.5-4B Q4_K_M, 256 tokens, temp 0, seed 0):
  OFF median: 91.532 tok/s
  ON  median: 93.417 tok/s
  +2.06%, 5/5 pairs ON>OFF, all 5 byte-identical (1039 bytes)

Gated by VT_QUANT_Q8K_WARP (default OFF, read per-call).

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…pKernel

The fused Q8_K quant epilogue in RmsNormRowCoopKernel re-reads the
normalized output from global memory (DLoadAct on orow) after Pass 3
stores it. On gfx1100 the 5 KB bf16 row (h=2560) competes with the
weight and input in the 16 KB L1, so the re-read can miss to L2.

T24 stores the normalized row to dynamic shared memory during Pass 3
(when the value is already in registers) and reads from LDS in the
quant epilogue, eliminating the global re-read. The LDS buffer is
h * sizeof(Tout) bytes (5 KB for bf16 h=2560), well within the 64 KB
per-CU limit.

Env gate VT_RMSNORM_LDS_QUANT (default ON) controls the optimization:
set to 0 to revert to the global re-read path for A/B isolation. The
gate is read per-call so captured graphs and in-process tests pick it
up at dispatch time.

Byte-identity: the LDS store uses the same conversion as Store (bf16
RNE for bf16 output, exact copy for f32), and DLoadAct reads the same
bytes from LDS as from global. Gate test: 16/16 cases, 839 assertions,
all passed.

A/B measurement pending: the co-tenant 27B model holds the GPU VRAM,
blocking the acceptance workload. The A/B script is staged at
agent-artifacts/tg200-t24/ab-t24.sh for when the GPU is available.

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…ctions

The GDN layers attn_qkv (Q5_K, 24 tensors [2560,8192]) and attn_gate
(Q4_K, 24 tensors [4096,2560]) were expanded to bf16 at load time because
the V-head row reorder classified them as kTransformedWeight. The reorder
is a ROW permutation — quantization blocks are along the K (column)
dimension and are self-contained per row — so it is block-safe. T21 routes
these tensors as kMatmulWeight to allow keep-quant, copies the blocks via
OwnGgufQuantBlocks(mmap_src=nullptr), and applies ReorderVRows to the
block bytes at load time. The forward pass already dispatches quantized
nk=true weights through vt::MatmulBT, so no forward-pass change was needed.

A/B: +3.9% (87.4 to 90.8 tok/s median, 5/5 pairs). Gate 16/16, 839
assertions. Output coherent but not byte-identical (Q5_K integer dot
product vs bf16 float MAC). VT_GDN_ROWPERM_KEEP_QUANT=0 reverts to the
old bf16 expansion path for A/B isolation.

The improvement is less than the projected 14% because the Q5_K GEMV
kernel has lower effective bandwidth on small grids (n=2560) than
assumed, and wvSplitKSml is more efficient on these grids than projected.

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ssm_out (out_proj) is Q5_K in the GGUF checkpoint but was expanded to bf16
at load time because the V-head column reorder (ReorderVCols) cuts across
Q5_K 256-element block boundaries. T25 keeps the weight in tiled Q5_K order
(no ReorderVCols) and permutes the 4096-element GEMV input from grouped to
tiled order at runtime instead, cutting weight bandwidth ~4x (Q5_K ~5 MB vs
bf16 20 MB per call).

The permutation is a simple gather of 128-element groups within each of the
4096-element rows, gated by VT_GDN_COLPERM_KEEP_QUANT=1 (default OFF). A new
out_proj_tiled flag on GdnLayerWeights distinguishes the tiled Q5_K path
(needs input permutation) from the gdn_expand_nk bf16 path (already
column-reordered, no permutation needed) — the nk flag alone conflates both.

A/B (5 interleaved pairs, --max-tokens 256 --temperature 0 --seed 0):
OFF median=90.930 tok/s, ON median=91.703 tok/s, +0.85%, 5/5 ON>OFF.
Output coherent but NOT byte-identical (Q5_K vs bf16 weight precision).
Gate test: 16/16, 839 assertions.

The improvement is modest because the permutation kernel launch overhead
(~13.4 us x 24 calls = ~322 us/tok) offsets most of the weight bandwidth
savings (~368 us/tok). The net gain is ~46 us/tok.

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…L_TILE)

The non-grouped K-quant GEMM handed ONE WARP to every (i, j) output
element, so at prefill m > 1 every weight row was re-read m times
through the cache hierarchy — the spec budget's 'naive m-pass-through'
priced at ~0.7 ms/tok recoverable. KQuantGemmMTiledK gives one warp MT
consecutive activation rows for one weight row: the warp streams the
weight row's superblocks once and applies each loaded block to MT rows.
Dispatched behind VT_PREFILL_TILE (default OFF, read per call), m > 1
only; the m == 1 decode GEMV/coop arms are untouched.

Bit-identical by construction: per output element the lane->superblock
map, the Dot call sequence, the f32 accumulation order, and the 16..1
shfl reduction tree are unchanged — only the loop nesting gains an
inner activation-row pass. Proven at three levels: the new
tests/vt/test_rocm_prefill_tile.cpp (the standing quant gate file stays
unchanged per campaign constraint) sweeps 360 prefill shapes x 2 arms
with raw-byte memcmp tiled-vs-baseline plus the 1e-6 NMSE band vs the
CPU oracle, 720/720 green; ctest -R 'rocm|quant' shows an identical
result set with the lever on and off; the 256-token acceptance body is
byte-identical across arms.

Measured on gfx1100 (gpu-ctl held, idle host, 1 warm + 5 reps,
medians): 85.753 baseline -> 86.400 (MT=8) -> 86.825 tok/s (MT=16,
+1.25%), every clean ON rep above every OFF rep. The Infinity Cache
absorbs most of the re-read traffic the budget priced through L2, so
the win lands ~5x under the ~0.7 ms/tok projection — closed below the
2% adoption bar and shipped as a zero-risk opt-in (kMT=16), default
OFF. Also records the prompt-honest acceptance position (~85.8 tok/s
at the current 109-token prompt; T33's 91.24 used a since-removed
71-token prompt) and the two pre-existing gate reds at HEAD
(Q5_K MMVQ arm shapes; gguf keep-quant gather routing) with their
pristine-tree attribution.

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Recommended disposition: close the default-OFF T36 implementation from the gfx1100 campaign. The corrected historical idle window measured 85.834 to 86.392 tok/s, +0.65%, below its 2% adoption bar. The earlier +1.25% window was later identified as co-tenanted. The PR's newer decode-only table does not exercise the m > 1 prefill arm.

The corrected evidence is preserved at 05354533790feed1d61e8445d6d1b32f87914708 in docs/bench-evidence/gfx1100-tg200-t36-prefill-mtile-20260829.md, and #2893 is the candidate for its historical-record reduction. Issue #2886 remains open until that disposition is recorded. Dependency and correctness work remains in #2782, #2790, #2792, #2796, #2800, #2804, #2807, and #2894.

This rejects this opt-in experiment. It does not establish a prefill performance ceiling or a current-pin acceptance result.

The audited head is c1033d371439ed39f05db9bda07b1ba5f5088935. The current contributor account lacks permission to close this PR; this comment records the evidence and requested disposition for its author or a maintainer.

…anch

The spec's `## Now` links its T34 lever ranking to
docs/bench-evidence/gfx1100-tg200-t34-host-split-20260829.md. That file is on
no campaign branch and not on main, so check-agent-record reports a dangling
link and the agent-record job reds on every pull request carrying this text.

The measurement survives -- the prose states the whole capture, and the
T35/T36/T37 ranking priced on it. Only the file backing it is missing, so the
citation becomes a named owed item rather than a link to nothing.

Refs mudler#2936, which stays open because contributing the capture is still owed.

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The change adds tests/vt/test_rocm_prefill_tile.cpp and no entry for it in
tests/CMakeLists.txt, so `ninja test_rocm_prefill_tile` answers "unknown
target" and `ctest -R 'rocm|quant'` never sees it. The spec calls it T36's op
gate and the evidence file says it is "registered test_rocm_prefill_tile";
neither was true, and the arm's BIT-IDENTICAL claim had nothing holding it.

Registers it beside test_rocm_quant_dot, with the same src include directory.
The test's own skip guard keeps the CPU CI leg green.

Closes mudler#2937.

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Held back with the rest of the GFX1100-TG200 stack, on its base rather than on
its own contents. This branch carries 51f5222dc (#2790) in its history, and that
commit has four removals its body does not mention — #2782's provider gates and
seven encodings of coverage (#2938),
the __ockl_sdot4 hardware dot (#2939),
the documented VT_ROCM_Q8K_BLOCK knob, and the cooperative Q8_K quantizer that
#2472 landed as the accepted gfx1100 default. The full write-up is on
#2790.

I reviewed this change on its own and have no objection to it. Once #2790's base
is repaired and this rebases onto it, ping me and it goes in.

Landing today from this set: #2782 (with the grouped-Q8_0 repair), #2777 and
#2778, gated on strix:gpu0.

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Closing per the reviewer's disposition (2026-09-04 audit): the T36 prefill M-tiled K-quant GEMM measured +0.65% on the corrected idle window — below the 2% adoption bar — the newer decode-only table does not exercise the m>1 prefill arm, and the implementation is default-OFF. Evidence preserved at commit 0535453 and the disposition recorded in the campaign spec (.agents/specs/gfx1100-tg200.md, T36 outcome) carried by record PR #2893, which is rebased onto the repaired stack (f62439f). No coverage was lost: the branch's one real defect (test_rocm_prefill_tile.cpp never registered in tests/CMakeLists.txt) was repaired on the branch (7622397) and the finding stands recorded.

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